Legislature(2021 - 2022)SENATE FINANCE 532

03/04/2022 09:00 AM Senate FINANCE

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09:05:29 AM Start
09:06:42 AM SB111
10:01:06 AM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
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+= SB 111 EARLY EDUCATION; READING INTERVENTION TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-Dr. Michael Johnson, Commissioner, DEED
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
                 SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                       March 4, 2022                                                                                            
                         9:05 a.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:05:29 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Bishop called the Senate Finance Committee meeting                                                                     
to order at 9:05 a.m.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Click Bishop, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Bert Stedman, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Natasha von Imhof                                                                                                       
Senator Bill Wielechowski                                                                                                       
Senator David Wilson (via teleconference)                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyman Hoffman                                                                                                           
Senator Donny Olson                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Michael Johnson, Commissioner, Department of Education and                                                                      
Early Development; Senator Roger Holland, Sponsor; Senator                                                                      
Tom Begich, Sponsor.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SB 111    EARLY EDUCATION; READING INTERVENTION                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
          SB 111 was HEARD and HELD in committee for                                                                            
          further consideration.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 111                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act  relating to  the duties  of the  Department of                                                                    
     Education  and Early  Development;  relating to  public                                                                    
     schools;   relating   to  early   education   programs;                                                                    
     relating  to  funding  for  early  education  programs;                                                                    
     relating  to   school  age  eligibility;   relating  to                                                                    
     reports  by  the  Department  of  Education  and  Early                                                                    
     Development; relating  to reports by  school districts;                                                                    
     relating to  certification and competency  of teachers;                                                                    
     relating   to   assessing  reading   deficiencies   and                                                                    
     providing  reading  intervention   services  to  public                                                                    
     school   students  enrolled   in  grades   kindergarten                                                                    
     through three; relating to  textbooks and materials for                                                                    
     reading intervention  services; establishing  a reading                                                                    
     program  in  the  Department  of  Education  and  Early                                                                    
     Development;  relating   to  school   operating  funds;                                                                    
     relating  to   a  virtual  education   consortium;  and                                                                    
     providing for an effective date."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:06:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MICHAEL JOHNSON,  COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT OF  EDUCATION AND                                                                    
EARLY  DEVELOPMENT,  (DEED)  introduced himself.  He  stated                                                                    
that he  did not  have a presentation  but had  read through                                                                    
some of the notes from the  previous hearing of the bill. He                                                                    
hoped to assist the committee.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:07:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  noted  that   Alaska's  test  scores  had                                                                    
declined in  the most  recent years  and queried  the reason                                                                    
for  the decline.  He wondered  what would  bring the  state                                                                    
test scores to at least a middle ground.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:09:57 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Johnson replied that it  was a big question and                                                                    
felt that  he might ramble  in response. He felt  that there                                                                    
was no reason why Alaska's students  could not be at the top                                                                    
of  the  charts.  He  pointed  out that  there  could  be  a                                                                    
statewide  reading  policy  that  could bring  Alaska  to  a                                                                    
higher   place  in   the  ranking   system.  He   said  that                                                                    
identifying  a single  reason for  Alaskas  low  ranking was                                                                    
challenging. He  thought that there were  many unpredictable                                                                    
variables.  He  felt  that  factors  for  success  could  be                                                                    
identified, such as: teaching  kids to read, having relevant                                                                    
cultural and career education,  having effective teachers in                                                                    
classrooms,  having  a  safe   and  secure  environment  for                                                                    
students.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:13:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman asserted  that he had not  heard a solution                                                                    
in  the commissioners   response.  He  wondered whether  the                                                                    
department had considered solutions  to the problem and what                                                                    
the  cost of  those solutions  might be.  He understood  the                                                                    
issue was  multifaceted and queried what  the department had                                                                    
considered to  improve the  scores. He  admitted he  did not                                                                    
have  a   background  in  education,   which  was   why  the                                                                    
commissioner had  been called in  to present  solutions that                                                                    
the legislature could then fund.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:15:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Johnson  replied that  that SB  111 would  be a                                                                    
good   place   to  start.   He   thought   that  pre-K   and                                                                    
accountability were both needed  to raise reading scores. He                                                                    
felt  that  the  pre-K  component  was  evidence  based  and                                                                    
essential.  He  pointed  out  that   the  bill  had  reading                                                                    
intervention  services   that  would  be  provided   by  the                                                                    
district  for children  struggling on  the reading  pathway.                                                                    
He noted that  the bill acknowledged that the  state was low                                                                    
ranking for  academic scores  and cited  Moore v.  State, in                                                                    
which the judge had surmised that  the low scores were not a                                                                    
result of  lack of funding,  but rather the state  needed to                                                                    
provide more support and oversight.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:17:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  von  Imhof pointed  to  the   Alaska Department  of                                                                    
Education  and Early  Development Strategic  Plan  (copy  on                                                                    
file.)  She  wondered how  long  the  document had  been  in                                                                    
existence.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:17:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Johnson replied that it  was not a  plan  but a                                                                    
list of priorities.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:18:32 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  von  Imhof  thought that  the  priorities  were  on                                                                    
point; support  all students to  read at grade level  by the                                                                    
end  of   third  grade,  increase  career,   technical,  and                                                                    
culturally relevant education to  meet student and workforce                                                                    
needs,   close  achievement   gap   by  ensuring   equitable                                                                    
educational  rigor  and  resources,  and  prepare,  attract,                                                                    
retain  effective   education  professionals,   improve  the                                                                    
safety   and   well-being   of   students   through   school                                                                    
partnerships  with families,  communities,  and tribes.  She                                                                    
wondered  how  much  progress  had  been  made  towards  the                                                                    
priorities and how had progress been measured.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:18:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Johnson  thought that there  had been a  lot of                                                                    
progress.  He said  that committees  had been  formed around                                                                    
each of the priorities and  had shared their priorities with                                                                    
the  legislative Joint  Education  Committees.  He spoke  of                                                                    
studies conducted and meetings  with stakeholders that could                                                                    
result  in  future  legislation.   He  said  that  measuring                                                                    
progress statewide had been a challenge due to Covid-19.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:21:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator von  Imhof realized that  there had been  a decrease                                                                    
in  revenue over  the  past  few years.  She  felt that  the                                                                    
changes  in  the  priority document  were  significant.  She                                                                    
understood that other states  had overhauled their education                                                                    
systems  and wondered  when education  legislation could  be                                                                    
expected  from  the  department and  administration,  rather                                                                    
than legislators.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:22:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Johnson   replied  that  the   department  had                                                                    
considered crafting  legislation. He  contended that  SB 111                                                                    
            th                                                                                                                  
was in its 4   hearing before the committee and wondered how                                                                    
long a  comprehensive education bill  would languish  in the                                                                    
legislative process.  He credited  the bill sponsor  for the                                                                    
current legislation and shared that  the genesis of the bill                                                                    
had  been himself  asking the  sponsor and  the governor  to                                                                    
meet to discuss  the issue. He stressed  that the department                                                                    
was working  for comprehensive  education reform  within the                                                                    
authority provided to DEED.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:25:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Wielechowski  thought that  the bill  was positively                                                                    
ambitious. He wondered what other  steps need to be taken to                                                                    
get to Number One in the national scores.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:26:51 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Johnson  responded that focusing on  common and                                                                    
shared   priorities  was   important.   He  reiterated   the                                                                    
importance  of  the priorities  laid  out  in the  strategic                                                                    
plan.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:30:55 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Bishop spoke of his  work with career and technical                                                                    
education.  He asserted  that real  change in  education was                                                                    
not  a  one-year  event  but needed  to  be  a  generational                                                                    
change.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:31:53 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner   Johnson   agreed.   He  said   that   passing                                                                    
legislation was the beginning and  not the end. He mentioned                                                                    
schools   and   community   organizations   and   businesses                                                                    
partnering  to  provide meaningful  educational  experiences                                                                    
for students.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:33:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Bishop invited the bill sponsors to the table.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:33:53 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR ROGER HOLLAND, SPONSOR, introduced himself.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:34:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR TOM BEGICH, SPONSOR, introduced himself.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:34:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  supported the legislation. He  was curious                                                                    
about  the   multi-year,  next  steps  for   improvement  in                                                                    
education. He clarified  that he would not  mind that Alaska                                                                    
were at  the top  for test scores  and he  acknowledged that                                                                    
movement toward the middle of the list was more realistic.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:35:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Johnson replied  that collaborative  education                                                                    
reform effort  in the  state would  be beneficial.  He hoped                                                                    
that education could be the  dominate issue in the state. He                                                                    
thought  that getting  more kids  reading  and improving  on                                                                    
career  technical education  (CTE) opportunities  would help                                                                    
in moving Alaska  up the list. He said that  there was a CTE                                                                    
plan in  the state that  the department could draw  from. He                                                                    
spoke  of Covid-19  funds  that had  been  spent toward  CTE                                                                    
programs.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:38:57 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Stedman   remarked  that   vocational   technical                                                                    
programs would  be in the  budget but that it  was dependent                                                                    
on  the signature  of  the governor.  He  asked whether  the                                                                    
governor  would  support  funding for  vocational  technical                                                                    
programs.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:40:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner  Johnson   replied  that  he  could   not  make                                                                    
commitments  for the  governor. He  added that  the governor                                                                    
has expressed support for SB 111.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:40:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Holland  furthered that the  HB 136 and HB  108 were                                                                    
CTE bills. He listed  several education bills circulating in                                                                    
the legislature.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:42:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Begich  announced that  the governor  was supportive                                                                    
of the current legislation.  He anticipated that any funding                                                                    
attached to the bill would be supported by the governor.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:43:05 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  von Imhof  understood that  support of  CTE was  an                                                                    
avenue for  improving math and  reading scores.  She relayed                                                                    
that she had traveled to  the Northwestern Alaska Career and                                                                    
Technical Center (NACTEC)  in Nome where she  had learned of                                                                    
the ill affects  of the governors  cut of  the Education Tax                                                                    
Credit. She  urged Senator Begich  to press the  governor to                                                                    
reinstate the Education Tax Credits.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator von Imhof continued.  She considered early childhood                                                                    
education and wondered about the  $6.8 million in Head Start                                                                    
and  $3.2  in kindergarten  grants.  She  queried how  those                                                                    
programs were doing and what  kind of changes were needed to                                                                    
make the current programs more successful.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:46:49 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator von  Imhof believed that the  Performance Evaluation                                                                    
for  Alaskas  Schools  (PEAKS)  and  National Assessment  of                                                                    
Educational  Progress (NAEP)  data  should  be more  closely                                                                    
scrutinized and considered.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:47:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Wielechowski asked  about CTE.  He suggested  using                                                                    
incoming  federal funds  to train  the future  workforce. He                                                                    
requested  a list  of things  that the  department supported                                                                    
that would  be helpful in  the areas of early  childhood and                                                                    
CTE.                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:48:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Bishop  said that  the CTE  plan in  place included                                                                    
the  Commissioner   of  Labor  and  the   President  of  the                                                                    
University,  not  only  the Commissioner  of  Education.  He                                                                    
believed that all three people  needed to be accountable for                                                                    
the plan.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:49:39 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Commissioner Johnson spoke of  his advocacy for investing in                                                                    
training Alaskans and Alaska hire.  He shared his experience                                                                    
on the Broadband Taskforce and  relayed that he continuously                                                                    
advocated  for Alaska  hire on  broadband  expansion in  the                                                                    
state.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:51:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator   Holland  admitted   he  was   not  a   finance  or                                                                    
legislative  professional. He  thought that  there could  be                                                                    
some  benefit to  a local  industry investing  in the  local                                                                    
economy for tax  credits. He lamented that  tax credits cost                                                                    
the  state  coffer and  considered  that  projects could  be                                                                    
funded directly  by the state.  He asserted that  Alaska had                                                                    
only dropped a few points in  PEAKS scoring over the last 20                                                                    
years but other 48 states had risen as a group.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:53:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Begich said  that  there was  data  to support  the                                                                    
success  and   long-term  efficacy  of   high-quality  pre-K                                                                    
programs. He  spoke of  his meetings  with the  governor and                                                                    
the  commissioner. He  believed  that the  bill  would be  a                                                                    
first step in transformative change in education in Alaska.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:55:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  commented on  the tax credit  issue, which                                                                    
he  did not  believe  could be  incorporated  into the  bill                                                                    
title. He  supported using the  tax credit tool in  a future                                                                    
education  vehicle.  He  thought  it could  provide  a  more                                                                    
stable  revenue   stream.  He  stressed  that   rural  areas                                                                    
benefitted greatly from AVTEC centers.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:58:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Bishop reminded  the committee  that when  he left                                                                    
the  Department  of  Labor only  23  percent  of  graduation                                                                    
seniors were destined for college,  the rest would be in CTE                                                                    
or vocational programs.  He said it took longer  to become a                                                                    
plumber than to  become a doctor or a  dentist. He advocated                                                                    
for support  for CTE  programs but  admitted that  one would                                                                    
need  to learn  to read  in order  to be  successful in  any                                                                    
vocation.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
10:00:36 AM                                                                                                                   
AT EASE                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
10:00:43 AM                                                                                                                   
RECONVENED                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Bishop  set the amendment deadline  for noon, March                                                                    
9, 2022.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
10:01:06 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 10:01 a.m.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

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SB 111 ALSA Position Statement 02.28.2022.pdf SFIN 3/4/2022 9:00:00 AM
SFIN 3/15/2022 9:00:00 AM
SB 111
SB 111 Response to SB 111_Coulter_ Hartley Richardson-2.pdf SFIN 3/4/2022 9:00:00 AM
SFIN 3/15/2022 9:00:00 AM
SB 111
SB 111 3.4.2022 (S)FIN SB111 Hearing DEED Follow-Up.pdf SFIN 3/4/2022 9:00:00 AM
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